Supralapsarian versus Hyper-Cal

The term "hyper-calvinist" is often defined differently by every individual. It would be helpful for me to define what I consider the proper use of the title "hyper-calvinist" and state that I am not one.

In short a hyper-calvinist would reject any and all forms of proclaiming the Bible, Jesus, grace, salvation, repentance, and faith to the lost; I've meet some (sadly) that even say the elect would not even need to know the name of Jesus or anything of the Bible in order to go to heaven; other stripes in essence reject most forms of sanctification, maturity, obedience, (this is more known as antinominianism (no law); under those banners of hyper-calvinist, I am not one in any shape.

However, in distinction a supralapsarian would say we do tell all mankind about Jesus, heaven, grace, salvation, repentance, faith, the Bible; and Christians do (and will) exhibit and grow in sanctification, maturity, and obedience.... See More
Yet, the reason a supralapsarian gets "lumped-in" (unfairly and inaccurately) with a hyper-calvinist, is that we see God hating Easu before he was born, and completely free to do so. Thus God determined to destroy Easu even BEFORE he fell as a person, and even before a Fall existed in the first Adam.

Here is a short illustration. Before I go to the lumber yard, you ask why am I going, I say to buy two pieces of wood, you ask why, I say, well I am going to burn one for heat, and carve the other into a nicely Engraved sign of "love" to put on my door mantle. You say, but you have not even bought them yet; I say true, but my purpose to please myself in these two fashions has already been determined before I even have them present here. So before God even made Adam (or Jacob and Easu), (and made them present in his shop/reality) he purposed to please himself first, it pleased him to spare one and pleased him to destroy another, though technically neither person had yet disobeyed God nor even present. (not yet created Adam, nor Jacob, nor Easu).

Many are angered at this portrayal of God, and say, "This is unloving and unfair." Well, there is a long defense of Scripture for it, which I could express later on; First, God loves Himself and can "do what He wants." Second, no one in orthodox Christianity preaches, "hey Jesus never died for demons and lucifer, so God is unfair!!!," nor "hey, Adam is made in the image of God, but dogs are not, how unfair of God to make dogs differently." We simply say, God didn't make them that way, and He does not have to do so, and He is not unfair for doing so. A lot of other insights can be shared for those who disagree.

Sometimes other questions come up like, "Well, why witness if God has already determined to destroy Easus before they are ever born"..."Well why witness if God knows all things before they happen if the Easus will always reject him." Responses: Well, God knows, but we don't. So likewise the supralpsarian does not know who the Esau's are either, so we tell all men that Jesus saves the sheep, and He deserves their faith; but Second, if God knows that all the Easu's will say no, then there is likewise no point in Him sending anyone to them; If I know for SURE as God's perfect knowledge knows, that Congress will never give me the burial remains of Abraham Lincoln, would I not be insane to send Gunda out to Congress asking on my behalf, "hi I am Gunda, todd has sent me asking you Congressman if He can have the burial remains of Lincoln." God's perfect infalliable knowledge would know it "isn't going to happen." so why send anyone to Easu.

Thus God will use evangelism to find the sheep and Jacob, and also intends the same evangelism not to "attempt finding Easu's" but in fact to heap hardness and judgment on Easu. God was not expecting 800 people to jump on Noah's Ark on the last day, and Hebrews tells us that by the Ark Noah condemned the world.

I think I upset Shawn and David Barbour over the matter, but there many other issues to explain; John Newton, Augustus Toplady, Issac Watts, Martin Luther (who each wrote key hymns in our hymnal were all calvinists, and also Spurgeon, and also James Kennedy who wrote our Evangelism Explosion material we used at Oak Grove). I did not hold to these views while in Seminary, but God brought me to them about 2 years after.....around 2002;

I had a chance to do 2 days of intense witnessing in Boston, MA about 4 years ago, and me and my buddy handed out 75 tracts of "Romans 3" to people....because we do not know who the sheep are (john 10), we know if they are his sheep, God will draw and convert them, if they are not his sheep God will leave them in their rebellion, in the same manner he has left demons without a Redeemer.

I'd be happy to explain or answer any other concerns, and hope to show in kindness and Scripture why I hold these things;