Various Issues 1

By David Barbour:

Todd, ,,
first of all, the Bible as a whole does not teach that,[Limited Atonement.]

,,,,secondly, if it did, why on earth would you want to boast of it. If it were true, you're Happy about it????

You know, I've watched your posts for several months now,,, I'm sure I've not seen them all, but the great majority of the ones I've seen are,,,,, * Anti free will* At what ...level do you want to take this choice thing,,, will you choose to respond to this? *Never do I see a concern from you for the Lost, or the reprobate as you call them* ,,

*Never do I see you reaching out to the Lost,,who knows, maybe you'll uncover one of your elected brothers* I'm sorry brother, but if I believed for one moment in the type of God that you portray in your posts, I'd denounce him today,,,,,,

Yes, man had no choice in his first birth,,,, but may I say this...... Think about something.... Man,,who had no choice in his first birth,,and apparently according to you, has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with his second birth,,,,, You're saying man's responsible for his sinful life,,,, but most will never have a chance of salvation,,

The God I know and that lives in me would NEVER CRIPPLE A MAN AND THEN BLAME THE MAN FOR LIMPING. I''m certainly about done arguing about this silly stuff. I may post one more later tonite and then I'm done. This is rediculous. You're really hung up on one topic and neglecting the rest of scripture.
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Todd's reply:


#1. It does teach it, are you interested in reading the evidence, and responding to it.[Limited Atonement]

#2. Since it does teach it, I do want to boast in what the Bible teaches, in what God says, I am happy about what the Bible teaches, in what God says.

#3. You are correct, a hefty bulk of my FB post address the issue of free-will. I keep an archive on my 118min blog.

#4. A proper denial of free-will, is a key facet of confessing the sin of self-reliance and self-righteousness, which confession of sin is one of the first fruits and evidences of regeneration. Thus this is a concern for the lost in exposing them their pride and sin.

#5. If you would like I could post my efforts to evangelize in the past 8 years. Jails, Prisons, Mormons, Kingdom Hall, Atheists, Nursing Homes, Masons, 70 tracts in Boston Mass, to a saleman I met while on Vacation, and the frequency of each. I also consider witnessing to non-Calvinists (Arminians) as Evangelism to the lost, since I consider them unregenerate.

#6. Right, man has nothing to do whatsoever in his second birth; Just like Lazarus had nothing to do with coming alive when Jesus commanded him to come alive.

#7. Yes man is responsible for his sin and condition. Timothy McVeigh was responsible for the Bombing, but no man can "make-up" for that much devestation of property and life. Yet the courts held him responsible though he could never fix the problem he created. (your thoughts???)

#8 Even today 2400 languages do not have a bible in their language, how many more did not have one a 1000 years ago. What "chance" of salvation did they have?

#9 Adam sinned, Adam died spiritually before physically; "Death" did not "have-to-be" the punishment, God could have made it "eternal color blindness" but yet "eternal life in paradise otherwise." So Adam is to blame for his disobedience and his punishment. God was not required to make Adam immutable before the fall, nor omnipotent before the Fall. Since God knew Adam would sin, and knew most in Adam would go to Hell, God could have easily decided to never put the tree in the garden in the first place.

#10 I am hung-up on it, because it humbles man's pride, and exalts God's grace. It exalts God's freedom and Sovereignty giving Him alone all the glory.

#11. The key point of your post and key deduction is...you simply denounce God.